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Legion Sims 11.6 – SimYoSelf, Relic, Trinkets

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SimYoSelf

Fellow theorycrafter, blog and guide writer, and all around awesome person, Binkenstein, has written a fantastic article, or series of articles, on how to use SimCraft to test out a bunch of trinkets for yourself. I recommend giving it a look over. Its specific to Mage right now, but you should easily be able to adapt it to your needs: Trinket Tip Tabulation.

I will also be adding a guide for How to Use SimCraft under Guides and will include some examples for how to find what you’re looking for. Look for that in the next day or two.

Relics

So a frequently asked question is always about the artifact Relics and how many item levels are worth dropping for a superior artifact trait. Since the original lists in the guides were done on AMR a few months ago, I thought I’d rerun them to see if any updating was needed. Turns out there were some changes, but they were very minor. Initially I tried just putting every relic into a list, but that was a little overwhelming and many changes are within the margin of error, so it was hard to get an average. So next step was to determine the average DPS increase from each additional weapon ilvl that a relic provides.

Single Target                      Multi Target

From these I determined that on average, 1 additional item level of weapon increases overall damage by roughly 0.08% for Single Target and 0.09% for Multi-Target.

Next was to sim the relic traits to see how much damage over the baseline each different trait was. I ran each relic trait through sims a the same item level.

Single Target                      Multi Target

Using the Light on your Feet perk as the baseline, since it doesn’t increase DPS at all, I determined the increase in DPS that each trait brings:

  1. Fists of the Wind: 1.19% (Single Target) 1.87 (AOE)
  2. Rising Winds: 0.86% (ST) 0.59% (AOE)
  3. Inner Peace: 0.66 % (ST) 0.55% (AOE)
  4. Tiger Claws: 0.36% (ST) 0.12% (AOE)
  5. Strength of Xuen: 0.20% (ST) 0.29% (AOE)
  6. Power of a Thousand Cranes: 0.07% (ST) 0.55% (AOE)
  7. Light on your feet: Baseline

Finally, I divided the DPS benefit of each trait and compared it to the benefit of Fists of the Wind in order to gauge how many weapon item levels a relic needs to have in order to beat Fists of the Wind.

  1. Fists of the Wind: Baseline
  2. Rising Winds: +4 (ST) +14 (AOE)
  3. Inner Peace: +6 (ST) +12 (AOE)
  4. Tiger Claws: +10 (ST) +19 (AOE)
  5. Strength of Xuen: +12 (ST) +17 (AOE)
  6. Power of a Thousand Cranes: + 14 (ST) +14 (AOE)
  7. Light on Your Feet: +14 (ST) +20 (AOE)

As you can see, this was slightly different from what we previously had theorycrafted, but not totally far off. Lots of the changes just come with increased gear and slightly different ratio of abilities, with abilities like Tiger Palm doing less of the overall damage due to attack power coefficients. There is also some normal variance when comparing these results from SimulationCraft to the previous ones from AskMrRobot.

The final caveat about these relics is that its very likely Strength of Xuen and Power of a Thousand Cranes are stronger in AOE situations than the sims would indicate. Strength of Xuen allows you an extra Blackout Kick that does cost Chi and can be used to tag targets without taking Chi away from Spinning Crane Kick. Power of a Thousand Cranes is likely significantly stronger than it appears on prolonged AOE encounters where Spinning Crane Kick is a larger portion of your overall DPS. This caveat is nearly impossible to quantify and depends heavily on player skill and how long you’re in an AOE situation.

The TLDR and Wordy guides have been updated accordingly.

Trinkets

I ran every trinket at every ilvl its available, in the similar format to what is already there. Because of the unimpressive power of my PC, it took the better part of two daysRather than spend an hour making it an image, I’ve uploaded it so that you can look at it and use the CTRL-F search function to find the trinket you want. Because the differences between some trinkets are smaller than the margin of error, some jostling is normal.

Single Target                     Multi-Target

As with all my other trinket sims, these are specific to the SimCraft profile and scenario used, which was the t19 Mythic profile over a 300s fight with 20% length variance. Because of this, these rankings may not perfectly reflect your character’s current situation or different fight scenarios.

There is also a new trinket format following what Binkenstein did for Mages. Nevarix, a Veteran in the Peak of Serenity Discord, saved me the days and hours of adapting Binkenstein’s Mage trinket spreadsheet for Windwalkers. So here it is, in all its glory. As with all trinket lists, take with a grain of salt.


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Comments

  1. TheLaughing

    860 Arcano
    870 Agi-Haste
    855 Agi-Verse
    860 Socketed Bloodstained

    Which would be the better along side 860 Eye of Command?
    Figuring Arcano Crystal.

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      You’re going to have to sim those, but I can almost guarantee it will be the 870 Agi-Haste

      1. TheLaughing

        after sim, it ended up being the arcano, (360k dps) vs agi haste @ 359.

        I ran the test so many times to make sure it wasn’t an one off event.

        Thanks you for making it easy to learn monks! I gained over 30k dps from sims/reading this and those awesome reddit posts on friday!

  2. Thefirm

    Greetings,
    I am rly confused is fist of fury relic 855iLvl better then Strenght of Xuen 885iLvl?

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      Take the ilvl that they provide to the weapon, it’s the “+X” in the tooltip and compare them using the chart. If you can subtract, it should be easy.

      1. Thefirm

        Thank you, just wanted to be sure if it’s for the weapon ilvl, not the relic 🙂

  3. Furryball-Sylvanas

    Hey lads, Great work as always!
    Just a quick and maybe stupid question.
    Vin Combatant’s Insignia the one with agility proc, Ive gotten one today 835(duh) with both Vers and Mastery as base stats, the item is not upgraded in any way.
    When i look this trinket up, every site is showing me that it should only give an amount of versatility plus the proc chance.
    I simcrafted it and got even higher dps then my 860 Hunger of the Pack, only by a 250dps, but still. My question is, does your simcrafts include this mastery, that both me and my friend got at the trinket today, or is it only with Versatility. Seeing it is ranked pretty low on your charters.

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      Our SimC rankings don’t include the second secondary stat. We think it’s some kind of bug since it’s worth like 20 ilvl worth of stats. It’s incredibly strong for its ilvl

      1. Furryball

        hmm okey, thats wierd both me and my friend got it on todays WQ, Hate myself for not getting abit higher ilvl on that badboy 🙁

  4. Winter

    Just to clarify my question, I have an 860 Eye of Guarm and an 860 WQ trinket with mastery. I just got an 860 Spiked counterweight and was wondering if Spiked counterweight should replace any of the trinkets I am currently wearing now?

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      You’re replying to a post that tells you exactly where to get that answer.

    2. Kaarm

      Hi Babs,

      I’m interested in the criteria for evaluating Hunger of the Pack. It seems like a no-brainer for mythic+, trash, and dungeons, but it’s ranked lower in the AoE spreadsheet.

      I would think that it would be completely useless for bosses like Ursoc, but it would shine on something like Il’gynoth. I know that Simcraft considers movement speed, but I think that it’s interesting that it ranked it as highly as it did.

      I’m trying to decide between
      Nightmare Egg Shell @ 850
      Hunger of the Pack @ 840
      Ravaged Seed Pod @ 865
      Nightborne’s Hunting Horn @ 850

      I ran simcraft with them and NES + NHH simmed the highest so I have been using that, but perhaps I should use RSP + HoP for AoE + Mythic+ and NES + NHH for ST fights.

      Thanks for all you do!
      until something better comes along. For my other trinket

      1. Author
        Babylonius

        Ravaged Seed Pod is a very poor trinket, so disregard that one. Depending on the secondary stat on NHH it could be the no brainer, if its Mastery or Vers. After that, I’d probably go with NES sine it has more agility, and Agi is king.

        1. Kaarm

          Cool, thanks. I forgot to mention yes, it’s AGI+Mastery. We are 2/7 Heroic, so I may have to just start pugging, or focus on Karazhan (it’s fun, but exhausting unless the group is perfect).

          Wish I could edit my post. did not mean to reply to that one. Oh well.

          Thanks!

  5. Briinn

    i have a 880 s Strength of Xuen relic +52 ilvls7, and a 865 Rising winds Relic +48 ilvls, and im having a hard time doing the math on whats better given the information. call me dumb, just cant decode. a little confused is all.. and suggestions would be nice

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      It’s simple subtraction. RSK needs +4 to beat FoF, Strength needs +12 to beat FoF, so Strength needs 8 more +ilvl to beat RSK (12-4=8).

  6. Big

    Wow this is awesome! Great job. I just wanted to add that there is at least 1 tank trinket that seems to be pretty good for ww in my opinion: Gift of Radiance

      1. pigpill

        So just to clarify, this is the trinket that is proced off of “attacks” and not the “Devilsaur Shock-Baton” which is proced off of damaging spells. Am I not understanding what is classified as an “attack”?

        BTW I took some time this morning and got simulation craft setup while following your guide, I was able to run some sims, but still is a bit overwhelming.

        Thank you so much for the guide!

        1. Author
          Babylonius

          I’ll see about adding the shock baton to the trinket to the spreadsheet

          1. purpill

            I believe you want to add Devilsaurs bite (attack proc) and not Devilsaurs Shock Baton(spell proc). After some testing Devilsaur’s Bite is about 6.5% of my dps on the world boss, but I am definitely not the best as far as rotations and serenity use.

  7. Maow

    Can’t imagine how much effort that trinket spreadsheet took, but Babs, that is AWESOME, thanks so much!

    1. Author
      Babylonius

      As it says in the article, all credit goes to Nevarix, you can thank him in discord.

  8. mbgx

    Wow! Much appreciated for the trinket sims, really above and beyond there. Just a quick question though. Are the Eye of Command numbers with or without the buff from the Nightbane chest piece?

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